tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post116061955993175042..comments2024-01-07T09:25:28.592-08:00Comments on Heavy Metal Time Machine: Sabbath after OzzyMetal Markhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18400759786407810475noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1161115180683726802006-10-17T12:59:00.000-07:002006-10-17T12:59:00.000-07:00Sorry, but I am firmly in the Ozzy camp on this on...Sorry, but I am firmly in the Ozzy camp on this one.:P fuzzboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07704568822288346593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160744844938866332006-10-13T06:07:00.000-07:002006-10-13T06:07:00.000-07:00I've never enjoyed any Sabbath as much as the firs...I've never enjoyed any Sabbath as much as the first six albums; even though I love RJD's voice, the band's music in those days just didn't capture me the way the early albums did.<BR/><BR/>Most of their singers, by the way, even the fill-ins, have had amazing voices. I never heard the tidbit about Ron Keel.<BR/><BR/>-- davidDavid Amulethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03758977878243268087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160695263725983572006-10-12T16:21:00.000-07:002006-10-12T16:21:00.000-07:00I'm one of those who associate Sabbath with Ozzy, ...I'm one of those who associate Sabbath with Ozzy, not to say the others aren't good though - just an original type thing I guess, like Roth with VH, you know?On My Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03596696073997934432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160682844607033402006-10-12T12:54:00.000-07:002006-10-12T12:54:00.000-07:00I like the first half of Born Again a lot but the ...I like the first half of Born Again a lot but the second half drags. <BR/><BR/>As I stated earlier, I'm a big fan of the Dio era of Sabbath, even though the Ozzy era is clearly the classic line up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160682444425971152006-10-12T12:47:00.000-07:002006-10-12T12:47:00.000-07:00Yup, you mentioned Ray Gillen (R.I.P.), missed tha...Yup, you mentioned Ray Gillen (R.I.P.), missed that....my bad.<BR/><BR/>By '85, Iommi had tried various lineups of a new Sabbath and I think he just wanted to do something new. According to interviews with Iommi and Hughes, it was a solo project but label pressure made it a Sabbath project.<BR/><BR/>I think that The Eternal Idol, Headless Cross, and TYR are excellent albums. Cross Purposes was average and Forbidden is.....well.....bad. What I like about Martin is that he can do all eras of Sabbath and still maintain his own identity. Iommi still came up with some killer riffs.<BR/><BR/>The Ozzy purists will always be there touting the original band, as well they should. I just think it's a crime to ignore the material created post-Ozzy and post-Dio, it's kind of like they are saying, "Iommi did nothing without Ozzy." Whereas I think Ozzy is lucky to have found Tony, Geezer, and Bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160679927992267252006-10-12T12:05:00.000-07:002006-10-12T12:05:00.000-07:00Sgt. Fluffy-The original line-up was the best.Stev...Sgt. Fluffy-The original line-up was the best.<BR/><BR/>Steve-Actually I did mention Ray Gillen right after Glen Hughes. I thin whether a band is or is not that band depends on the sound more than just a legal right to having the name.<BR/>I think Iommi wanted to go solo around 1985 and had his band, but Warner Brothers wanted him to use the name to sell more albums. I think Tony Martin is very good singer who doesn't get a lot of credit, but some of those albums were very good and some were very average.<BR/>It does frustrate me at times when people just swear by Sabbath with Ozzy because the last albums by the original line-up were poor, very poor. The two Dio era studio albums were very good indeed.Metal Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18400759786407810475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160671413585000472006-10-12T09:43:00.000-07:002006-10-12T09:43:00.000-07:00Let me just add this.....In no way am I discountin...Let me just add this.....<BR/><BR/>In no way am I discounting the original Sabbath with Ozzy. The albums with Ozzy on vocals were absolutely brilliant and groundbreaking, shaping Heavy Metal as we know it today. The first 6 Sabbath albums would easily be in my Top 50 Metal Albums of all time.<BR/><BR/>I think the major problem is that Sabbath was so groundbreaking with Ozzy that some people only recognize this lineup. I think that the band evolved with Dio and expanded with Martin. The Gillan and Hughes experiments were quick fixes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160671170917553612006-10-12T09:39:00.000-07:002006-10-12T09:39:00.000-07:00The only guy I think you missed that mattered was ...The only guy I think you missed that mattered was Ray Gillen (Badlands) who replaced Glenn Hughes on tour for Seventh Star and started demos for The Eternal Idol. There are some great boots from this time. There were a couple of other guys that were brought in to try out/demo, including Ron Keel and Dave Donato.<BR/><BR/>As far as is it really Black Sabbath? <BR/><BR/>Is it really Deep Purple? The only original member left is Ian Paice. Is it really WASP? It's only Blackie Lawless. Was it KISS in the 80s/90s with only Gene and Paul? Or the Scorpions with Klaus and Rudy as the only founding members left?<BR/><BR/>Lineup changes happen often. When I look at a band, I look at the total career rather than their highest point creatively and/or successfully. If we measure a band's legitimacy by how many original members are left then Deep Purple ceased to exist with In Rock, even though its the "classic" lineup. Then AC/DC was a shell of a band in 1991 with the Young brothers as the only original members.<BR/><BR/>The Sabbath albums post-Dio were good, some excellent. Some of Iommi's best riffs came during the Tony Martin era. When Iommi pushed ahead with the Tony Martin fronted Sabbath, he added Cozy Powell and retained Geoff Nichols (Sabbath's 5th member) in an attempt to keep a cohesive band dynamic. He did revolve bassists though, including Geezer's return for Cross Purposes. Is the Cross Purposes lineup more Sabbath than the Headless Cross lineup? Geezer is an original member?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I'm extremely passionate about Sabbath, especially post-Mob Rules. I think it is some of the most under-rated Heavy Metal of all time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13852175.post-1160668097705708782006-10-12T08:48:00.000-07:002006-10-12T08:48:00.000-07:00I meant to have this topic out earlier, but Blogge...I meant to have this topic out earlier, but Blogger was having trouble so it took me a while.<BR/>Sorry about that.Metal Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18400759786407810475noreply@blogger.com